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		<title>By: INTENT ISN'T FACT</title>
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		<dc:creator>INTENT ISN'T FACT</dc:creator>
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		<description>Rule 406. Habit; Routine Practice

Evidence of a person’s habit or an organization’s routine practice may be admitted to prove that on a particular occasion the person or organization acted in accordance with the habit or routine practice. The court may admit this evidence regardless of whether it is corroborated or whether there was an eyewitness.

Notes
 
(Pub. L. 93–595, §1, Jan. 2, 1975, 88 Stat. 1932; Apr. 26, 2011, eff. Dec. 1, 2011.)

Notes of Advisory Committee on Proposed Rules

An oft-quoted paragraph, McCormick, §162, p. 340, describes habit in terms effectively contrasting it with character:

“Character and habit are close akin. Character is a generalized description of one&#039;s disposition, or of one&#039;s disposition in respect to a general trait, such as honesty, temperance, or peacefulness. ‘Habit,’ in modern usage, both lay and psychological, is more specific. It describes one&#039;s regular response to a repeated specific situation. If we speak of character for care, we think of the person&#039;s tendency to act prudently in all the varying situations of life, in business, family life, in handling automobiles and in walking across the street. A habit, on the other hand, is the person&#039;s regular practice of meeting a particular kind of situation with a specific type of conduct, such as the habit of going down a particular stairway two stairs at a time, or of giving the hand-signal for a left turn, or of alighting from railway cars while they are moving. The doing of the habitual acts may become semi-automatic.” Equivalent behavior on the part of a group is designated “routine practice of an organization” in the rule.

Agreement is general that habit evidence is highly persuasive as proof of conduct on a particular occasion. Again quoting McCormick §162, p. 341:

“Character may be thought of as the sum of one&#039;s habits though doubtless it is more than this. But unquestionably the uniformity of one&#039;s response to habit is far greater than the consistency with which one&#039;s conduct conforms to character or disposition. Even though character comes in only exceptionally as evidence of an act, surely any sensible man in investigating whether X did a particular act would be greatly helped in his inquiry by evidence as to whether he was in the habit of doing it.”

When disagreement has appeared, its focus has been upon the question what constitutes habit, and the reason for this is readily apparent. The extent to which instances must be multiplied and consistency of behavior maintained in order to rise to the status of habit inevitably gives rise to differences of opinion. Lewan, Rationale of Habit Evidence, 16 Syracuse L.Rev. 39, 49 (1964). While adequacy of sampling and uniformity of response are key factors, precise standards for measuring their sufficiency for evidence purposes cannot be formulated.

The rule is consistent with prevailing views. Much evidence is excluded simply because of failure to achieve the status of habit. Thus, evidence of intemperate “habits” is generally excluded when offered as proof of drunkenness in accident cases, Annot., 46 A.L.R.2d 103, and evidence of other assaults is inadmissible to prove the instant one in a civil assault action, Annot., 66 A.L.R.2d 806. In Levin v. United States, 119 U.S.App.D.C. 156, 338 F.2d 265 (1964), testimony as to the religious “habits” of the accused, offered as tending to prove that he was at home observing the Sabbath rather than out obtaining money through larceny by trick, was held properly excluded;

“It seems apparent to us that an individual&#039;s religious practices would not be the type of activities which would lend themselves to the characterization of ‘invariable regularity.’ [1 Wigmore 520.] Certainly the very volitional basis of the activity raises serious questions as to its invariable nature, and hence its probative value.” Id. at 272.

These rulings are not inconsistent with the trend towards admitting evidence of business transactions between one of the parties and a third person as tending to prove that he made the same bargain or proposal in the litigated situation. Slough, Relevancy Unraveled, 6 Kan.L.Rev. 38–41 (1957). Nor are they inconsistent with such cases as Whittemore v. Lockheed Aircraft Corp., 65 Cal.App.2d 737, 151 P.2d 670 (1944), upholding the admission of evidence that plaintiff&#039;s intestate had on four other occasions flown planes from defendant&#039;s factory for delivery to his employer airline, offered to prove that he was piloting rather than a guest on a plane which crashed and killed all on board while en route for delivery.

A considerable body of authority has required that evidence of the routine practice of an organization be corroborated as a condition precedent to its admission in evidence. Slough, Relevancy Unraveled, 5 Kan.L.Rev. 404, 449 (1957). This requirement is specifically rejected by the rule on the ground that it relates to the sufficiency of the evidence rather than admissibility. A similar position is taken in New Jersey Rule 49. The rule also rejects the requirement of the absence of eyewitnesses, sometimes encountered with respect to admitting habit evidence to prove freedom from contributory negligence in wrongful death cases. For comment critical of the requirements see Frank, J., in Cereste v. New York, N.H. &amp; H.R. Co., 231 F.2d 50 (2d Cir. 1956), cert. denied 351 U.S. 951, 76 S.Ct. 848, 100 L.Ed 1475, 10 Vand.L.Rev. 447 (1957); McCormick §162, p. 342. The omission of the requirement from the California Evidence Code is said to have effected its elimination. Comment, Cal.Ev.Code §1105.

Committee Notes on Rules—2011 Amendment

The language of Rule 406 has been amended as part of the restyling of the Evidence Rules to make them more easily understood and to make style and terminology consistent throughout the rules. These changes are intended to be stylistic only. There is no intent to change any result in any ruling on evidence admissibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rule 406. Habit; Routine Practice</p>
<p>Evidence of a person’s habit or an organization’s routine practice may be admitted to prove that on a particular occasion the person or organization acted in accordance with the habit or routine practice. The court may admit this evidence regardless of whether it is corroborated or whether there was an eyewitness.</p>
<p>Notes</p>
<p>(Pub. L. 93–595, §1, Jan. 2, 1975, 88 Stat. 1932; Apr. 26, 2011, eff. Dec. 1, 2011.)</p>
<p>Notes of Advisory Committee on Proposed Rules</p>
<p>An oft-quoted paragraph, McCormick, §162, p. 340, describes habit in terms effectively contrasting it with character:</p>
<p>“Character and habit are close akin. Character is a generalized description of one&#8217;s disposition, or of one&#8217;s disposition in respect to a general trait, such as honesty, temperance, or peacefulness. ‘Habit,’ in modern usage, both lay and psychological, is more specific. It describes one&#8217;s regular response to a repeated specific situation. If we speak of character for care, we think of the person&#8217;s tendency to act prudently in all the varying situations of life, in business, family life, in handling automobiles and in walking across the street. A habit, on the other hand, is the person&#8217;s regular practice of meeting a particular kind of situation with a specific type of conduct, such as the habit of going down a particular stairway two stairs at a time, or of giving the hand-signal for a left turn, or of alighting from railway cars while they are moving. The doing of the habitual acts may become semi-automatic.” Equivalent behavior on the part of a group is designated “routine practice of an organization” in the rule.</p>
<p>Agreement is general that habit evidence is highly persuasive as proof of conduct on a particular occasion. Again quoting McCormick §162, p. 341:</p>
<p>“Character may be thought of as the sum of one&#8217;s habits though doubtless it is more than this. But unquestionably the uniformity of one&#8217;s response to habit is far greater than the consistency with which one&#8217;s conduct conforms to character or disposition. Even though character comes in only exceptionally as evidence of an act, surely any sensible man in investigating whether X did a particular act would be greatly helped in his inquiry by evidence as to whether he was in the habit of doing it.”</p>
<p>When disagreement has appeared, its focus has been upon the question what constitutes habit, and the reason for this is readily apparent. The extent to which instances must be multiplied and consistency of behavior maintained in order to rise to the status of habit inevitably gives rise to differences of opinion. Lewan, Rationale of Habit Evidence, 16 Syracuse L.Rev. 39, 49 (1964). While adequacy of sampling and uniformity of response are key factors, precise standards for measuring their sufficiency for evidence purposes cannot be formulated.</p>
<p>The rule is consistent with prevailing views. Much evidence is excluded simply because of failure to achieve the status of habit. Thus, evidence of intemperate “habits” is generally excluded when offered as proof of drunkenness in accident cases, Annot., 46 A.L.R.2d 103, and evidence of other assaults is inadmissible to prove the instant one in a civil assault action, Annot., 66 A.L.R.2d 806. In Levin v. United States, 119 U.S.App.D.C. 156, 338 F.2d 265 (1964), testimony as to the religious “habits” of the accused, offered as tending to prove that he was at home observing the Sabbath rather than out obtaining money through larceny by trick, was held properly excluded;</p>
<p>“It seems apparent to us that an individual&#8217;s religious practices would not be the type of activities which would lend themselves to the characterization of ‘invariable regularity.’ [1 Wigmore 520.] Certainly the very volitional basis of the activity raises serious questions as to its invariable nature, and hence its probative value.” Id. at 272.</p>
<p>These rulings are not inconsistent with the trend towards admitting evidence of business transactions between one of the parties and a third person as tending to prove that he made the same bargain or proposal in the litigated situation. Slough, Relevancy Unraveled, 6 Kan.L.Rev. 38–41 (1957). Nor are they inconsistent with such cases as Whittemore v. Lockheed Aircraft Corp., 65 Cal.App.2d 737, 151 P.2d 670 (1944), upholding the admission of evidence that plaintiff&#8217;s intestate had on four other occasions flown planes from defendant&#8217;s factory for delivery to his employer airline, offered to prove that he was piloting rather than a guest on a plane which crashed and killed all on board while en route for delivery.</p>
<p>A considerable body of authority has required that evidence of the routine practice of an organization be corroborated as a condition precedent to its admission in evidence. Slough, Relevancy Unraveled, 5 Kan.L.Rev. 404, 449 (1957). This requirement is specifically rejected by the rule on the ground that it relates to the sufficiency of the evidence rather than admissibility. A similar position is taken in New Jersey Rule 49. The rule also rejects the requirement of the absence of eyewitnesses, sometimes encountered with respect to admitting habit evidence to prove freedom from contributory negligence in wrongful death cases. For comment critical of the requirements see Frank, J., in Cereste v. New York, N.H. &amp; H.R. Co., 231 F.2d 50 (2d Cir. 1956), cert. denied 351 U.S. 951, 76 S.Ct. 848, 100 L.Ed 1475, 10 Vand.L.Rev. 447 (1957); McCormick §162, p. 342. The omission of the requirement from the California Evidence Code is said to have effected its elimination. Comment, Cal.Ev.Code §1105.</p>
<p>Committee Notes on Rules—2011 Amendment</p>
<p>The language of Rule 406 has been amended as part of the restyling of the Evidence Rules to make them more easily understood and to make style and terminology consistent throughout the rules. These changes are intended to be stylistic only. There is no intent to change any result in any ruling on evidence admissibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Ripper</title>
		<link>http://www.theantidj.net/archives/72/comment-page-2#comment-133996</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the answer that everyone has overlooked:

The UCC, that the Uniform Commercial Code to the rest of us is a federal law, with mirrowed state laws to conduct business.  Apparently, they have until midnight the next business day to send you notice of the overdraft before they can legally &quot;steal&quot; your money.  Problem is...  they can&#039;t prove they ever sent anything if there is no signed mail receipt.  And if they start to say that we have a computer do it for us then that is HERESAY and they would have to rely on an exception like business records.  But it doesn&#039;t prove anything if you had money in their bank somewhere else, never had an overdraft before or any other business records that you keep.  Who&#039;s to say they are always right and never make mistakes.  File a small claims case against them and make em have to show up or face a default judgement.  Time is money and if everyone stops crying about it and does something about it then you win...  Even if you don&#039;t recover your money.  Think about it?????  TARP money is interest free, tax free money supplied by the government and given to these heartless pigs.  Make em spend.  Resist their BS and do something 99%.

§ 3-503. NOTICE OF DISHONOR.
(a) The obligation of an indorser stated in Section 3-415(a) and the obligation of a drawer stated in Section 3-414(d) may not be enforced unless (i) the indorser or drawer is given notice of dishonor of the instrument complying with this section or (ii) notice of dishonor is excused under Section 3-504(b).
(b) Notice of dishonor may be given by any person; may be given by any commercially reasonable means, including an oral, written, or electronic communication; and is sufficient if it reasonably identifies the instrument and indicates that the instrument has been dishonored or has not been paid or accepted. Return of an instrument given to a bank for collection is sufficient notice of dishonor.
(c) Subject to Section 3-504(c), with respect to an instrument taken for collection by a collecting bank, notice of dishonor must be given (i) by the bank before midnight of the next banking day following the banking day on which the bank receives notice of dishonor of the instrument, or (ii) by any other person within 30 days following the day on which the person receives notice of dishonor. With respect to any other instrument, notice of dishonor must be given within 30 days following the day on which dishonor occurs.
§ 3-504. EXCUSED PRESENTMENT AND NOTICE OF DISHONOR.
(a) Presentment for payment or acceptance of an instrument is excused if (i) the person entitled to present the instrument cannot with reasonable diligence make presentment, (ii) the maker or acceptor has repudiated an obligation to pay the instrument or is dead or in insolvency proceedings, (iii) by the terms of the instrument presentment is not necessary to enforce the obligation of indorsers or the drawer, (iv) the drawer or indorser whose obligation is being enforced has waived presentment or otherwise has no reason to expect or right to require that the instrument be paid or accepted, or (v) the drawer instructed the drawee not to pay or accept the draft or the drawee was not obligated to the drawer to pay the draft. 
(b) Notice of dishonor is excused if (i) by the terms of the instrument notice of dishonor is not necessary to enforce the obligation of a party to pay the instrument, or (ii) the party whose obligation is being enforced waived notice of dishonor. A waiver of presentment is also a waiver of notice of dishonor. 
(c) Delay in giving notice of dishonor is excused if the delay was caused by circumstances beyond the control of the person giving the notice and the person giving the notice exercised reasonable diligence after the cause of the delay ceased to operate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the answer that everyone has overlooked:</p>
<p>The UCC, that the Uniform Commercial Code to the rest of us is a federal law, with mirrowed state laws to conduct business.  Apparently, they have until midnight the next business day to send you notice of the overdraft before they can legally &#8220;steal&#8221; your money.  Problem is&#8230;  they can&#8217;t prove they ever sent anything if there is no signed mail receipt.  And if they start to say that we have a computer do it for us then that is HERESAY and they would have to rely on an exception like business records.  But it doesn&#8217;t prove anything if you had money in their bank somewhere else, never had an overdraft before or any other business records that you keep.  Who&#8217;s to say they are always right and never make mistakes.  File a small claims case against them and make em have to show up or face a default judgement.  Time is money and if everyone stops crying about it and does something about it then you win&#8230;  Even if you don&#8217;t recover your money.  Think about it?????  TARP money is interest free, tax free money supplied by the government and given to these heartless pigs.  Make em spend.  Resist their BS and do something 99%.</p>
<p>§ 3-503. NOTICE OF DISHONOR.<br />
(a) The obligation of an indorser stated in Section 3-415(a) and the obligation of a drawer stated in Section 3-414(d) may not be enforced unless (i) the indorser or drawer is given notice of dishonor of the instrument complying with this section or (ii) notice of dishonor is excused under Section 3-504(b).<br />
(b) Notice of dishonor may be given by any person; may be given by any commercially reasonable means, including an oral, written, or electronic communication; and is sufficient if it reasonably identifies the instrument and indicates that the instrument has been dishonored or has not been paid or accepted. Return of an instrument given to a bank for collection is sufficient notice of dishonor.<br />
(c) Subject to Section 3-504(c), with respect to an instrument taken for collection by a collecting bank, notice of dishonor must be given (i) by the bank before midnight of the next banking day following the banking day on which the bank receives notice of dishonor of the instrument, or (ii) by any other person within 30 days following the day on which the person receives notice of dishonor. With respect to any other instrument, notice of dishonor must be given within 30 days following the day on which dishonor occurs.<br />
§ 3-504. EXCUSED PRESENTMENT AND NOTICE OF DISHONOR.<br />
(a) Presentment for payment or acceptance of an instrument is excused if (i) the person entitled to present the instrument cannot with reasonable diligence make presentment, (ii) the maker or acceptor has repudiated an obligation to pay the instrument or is dead or in insolvency proceedings, (iii) by the terms of the instrument presentment is not necessary to enforce the obligation of indorsers or the drawer, (iv) the drawer or indorser whose obligation is being enforced has waived presentment or otherwise has no reason to expect or right to require that the instrument be paid or accepted, or (v) the drawer instructed the drawee not to pay or accept the draft or the drawee was not obligated to the drawer to pay the draft.<br />
(b) Notice of dishonor is excused if (i) by the terms of the instrument notice of dishonor is not necessary to enforce the obligation of a party to pay the instrument, or (ii) the party whose obligation is being enforced waived notice of dishonor. A waiver of presentment is also a waiver of notice of dishonor.<br />
(c) Delay in giving notice of dishonor is excused if the delay was caused by circumstances beyond the control of the person giving the notice and the person giving the notice exercised reasonable diligence after the cause of the delay ceased to operate.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.theantidj.net/archives/72/comment-page-2#comment-133663</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every bank and person needs to have overdraft protection. Go RBC! These posts worry me though; the RBC down the street from me just got turned into a PNC. Did they fucking join arms or some shit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every bank and person needs to have overdraft protection. Go RBC! These posts worry me though; the RBC down the street from me just got turned into a PNC. Did they fucking join arms or some shit?</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://www.theantidj.net/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-125893</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad part is, PNC offers online banking as a way to avoid a paper ledger (Or so I was told by my bank&#039;s representative who opened my account). Now, I&#039;m not opted into Overdraft protection so, I should be the one in the store embarrassed when I don&#039;t have sufficient funds, and I enjoy that because I don&#039;t have to pay fees and I don&#039;t go in the red and all I have to do to avoid this so called &quot;embarrassment&quot; is check my online transactions (Or so I THOUGHT). 

I have a cell phone so I check my transactions everyday right before I make purchases. Unfortunately, you can&#039;t trust your online banking information, because the charges don&#039;t stay PENDING, sometimes they just dissapear and tell you that you have money that you really DON&#039;T have. Sometimes they blame it on the people you purchased from, that&#039;s fine sure, but then sometimes they try to explain to me that charges don&#039;t just drop off your account and you only have fees because you have an OD. Then I say.. &quot;Well, I&#039;m not opted into OD protection, yet you still allow me to make purchases, why?&quot;

They can never seem to figure it out, so someone who works at a bank like Cyndi, please explain to me why is it that I&#039;m not opted into Overdraft protection with PNC bank and yet my account says I have $200 and silly me, I forgot I made that $50 purchase that SUDDENLY dissapeared from my ONLINE LEDGER mind you it was there when I made the purchase. So, the following day I check my account, (it claims I have $200) and me thinking nothing of it, I spend $50 more than I actually should have and have negative $50 in my account the following day, but I&#039;m not opted in so I recieve no extra fees but you explained on your website that THAT WON&#039;T HAPPEN when you&#039;re not opted in, YOU CAN&#039;T spend money that you don&#039;t have and we WON&#039;T cover you. I&#039;m confused...     

I&#039;m convinced that I should just stop listening to PNC and do the job that they&#039;re supposed to be doing and buy myself a ledger, because you&#039;re right, no one knows how much money I spend, even though I don&#039;t have checks or bills, just a paycheck and a debit that they&#039;re supposed to keep track of the transactions from, that is why I got an online account. 

I think I&#039;ll give you lovely workers a call today and try to get the run around that I enjoy and the under-trained workers who have no idea what I&#039;m talking about and don&#039;t take the time out to LOOK at my account and see that I&#039;m opted out of Overdraft Protection and STILL somehow am able to get into the negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad part is, PNC offers online banking as a way to avoid a paper ledger (Or so I was told by my bank&#8217;s representative who opened my account). Now, I&#8217;m not opted into Overdraft protection so, I should be the one in the store embarrassed when I don&#8217;t have sufficient funds, and I enjoy that because I don&#8217;t have to pay fees and I don&#8217;t go in the red and all I have to do to avoid this so called &#8220;embarrassment&#8221; is check my online transactions (Or so I THOUGHT). </p>
<p>I have a cell phone so I check my transactions everyday right before I make purchases. Unfortunately, you can&#8217;t trust your online banking information, because the charges don&#8217;t stay PENDING, sometimes they just dissapear and tell you that you have money that you really DON&#8217;T have. Sometimes they blame it on the people you purchased from, that&#8217;s fine sure, but then sometimes they try to explain to me that charges don&#8217;t just drop off your account and you only have fees because you have an OD. Then I say.. &#8220;Well, I&#8217;m not opted into OD protection, yet you still allow me to make purchases, why?&#8221;</p>
<p>They can never seem to figure it out, so someone who works at a bank like Cyndi, please explain to me why is it that I&#8217;m not opted into Overdraft protection with PNC bank and yet my account says I have $200 and silly me, I forgot I made that $50 purchase that SUDDENLY dissapeared from my ONLINE LEDGER mind you it was there when I made the purchase. So, the following day I check my account, (it claims I have $200) and me thinking nothing of it, I spend $50 more than I actually should have and have negative $50 in my account the following day, but I&#8217;m not opted in so I recieve no extra fees but you explained on your website that THAT WON&#8217;T HAPPEN when you&#8217;re not opted in, YOU CAN&#8217;T spend money that you don&#8217;t have and we WON&#8217;T cover you. I&#8217;m confused&#8230;     </p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced that I should just stop listening to PNC and do the job that they&#8217;re supposed to be doing and buy myself a ledger, because you&#8217;re right, no one knows how much money I spend, even though I don&#8217;t have checks or bills, just a paycheck and a debit that they&#8217;re supposed to keep track of the transactions from, that is why I got an online account. </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll give you lovely workers a call today and try to get the run around that I enjoy and the under-trained workers who have no idea what I&#8217;m talking about and don&#8217;t take the time out to LOOK at my account and see that I&#8217;m opted out of Overdraft Protection and STILL somehow am able to get into the negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://www.theantidj.net/archives/72/comment-page-1#comment-117087</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PNC is completely unethical, yes improper accounting is the clients fault, but PNFee jumps on their customers and royally screws them. Their overdraft policy of reordering the transaction not as received but by amount piles on fees for them. They have already been sued for this and lost, yet they still do it. They also hold transactions for as long as possible, external transfers, deposits, and debit purchases. They use their pending system as a cash cow. One check overdraft should not be able to amount to 8 overdraft fees @ $39.95, it&#039;s a scumbag move, and PNC is renowned for being one of the worst banks for fees. I guess someones gotta pay for maintenance on the PNC art center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PNC is completely unethical, yes improper accounting is the clients fault, but PNFee jumps on their customers and royally screws them. Their overdraft policy of reordering the transaction not as received but by amount piles on fees for them. They have already been sued for this and lost, yet they still do it. They also hold transactions for as long as possible, external transfers, deposits, and debit purchases. They use their pending system as a cash cow. One check overdraft should not be able to amount to 8 overdraft fees @ $39.95, it&#8217;s a scumbag move, and PNC is renowned for being one of the worst banks for fees. I guess someones gotta pay for maintenance on the PNC art center.</p>
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